Mark Kelly, who is Rick Warren’s personal spin doctor has clearly demonstrated that he has a astonishing gift for arguing both sides of an issue and playing the persecution card when called on the carpet for his inconsistencies.
In a recent post on his personal blog entitled “Assigned a place with the unbelievers” Kelly argues against the “Once Saved Always Saved” doctrine and claims that outrageous disobedience will get you thrown out of the God’s house and cause you to be dumped in hell with the unfaithful dead.
When CRN pointed out the fact that Kelly’s arguments contradicted Saddleback Church’s doctrinal statement regarding Eternal Security, Kelly went into ‘spin mode’ and posted a new piece that claims that his original post wasn’t about losing your salvation. All the while, he was claiming that he was being falsely accused of not believing in the security of the believer.
Mark Kelly’s two posts contradicted each other so badly that we have no idea what he actually believes on the matter. As best as we can figure, Kelly believes that Christians are Eternally Secure in their salvation so long as they don't committ an 'outrageous disobedience'. If they do that then they will be numbered with the unbelievers and thrown out of God's house and be sent to hell. But this doesn't mean that they've lost their salvation because the idea that a Christian can lose his/her salvation is an insult to God even though according to Kelly they were truly believers before God sent them to hell. Sound confusing? We were so puzzled by Kelly's poistion that we've named it the "Doctrine of Eternal Confusion".
Fact is, Mark's position is soooo convoluted that we felt that he deserved an award for his efforts. So we are honoring him with the ‘Spin Doctor of the Month’ award.
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In all seriousness, the reason why Kelly's position contradicts itself so badly is because Mark is attempting to resolve the very real contradiction that exists between the Reformed doctrine of Eternal Security and the Biblical warnings regarding apostasy and its consequences.
Mark, I am not sure that the contradiction can be resolved in a way that allows you to maintain your presuppositions. However, if you allow yourself to challenge your presuppositions you will run the very real danger of truly being at odds with Saddleback's doctrinal statement. (But you are already far down that path already)
Mark, my advice to you would be to look at how the Lutheran theologians have addressed this dilema. You need more data and a different perspective.
In a recent post on his personal blog entitled “Assigned a place with the unbelievers” Kelly argues against the “Once Saved Always Saved” doctrine and claims that outrageous disobedience will get you thrown out of the God’s house and cause you to be dumped in hell with the unfaithful dead.
When CRN pointed out the fact that Kelly’s arguments contradicted Saddleback Church’s doctrinal statement regarding Eternal Security, Kelly went into ‘spin mode’ and posted a new piece that claims that his original post wasn’t about losing your salvation. All the while, he was claiming that he was being falsely accused of not believing in the security of the believer.
Mark Kelly’s two posts contradicted each other so badly that we have no idea what he actually believes on the matter. As best as we can figure, Kelly believes that Christians are Eternally Secure in their salvation so long as they don't committ an 'outrageous disobedience'. If they do that then they will be numbered with the unbelievers and thrown out of God's house and be sent to hell. But this doesn't mean that they've lost their salvation because the idea that a Christian can lose his/her salvation is an insult to God even though according to Kelly they were truly believers before God sent them to hell. Sound confusing? We were so puzzled by Kelly's poistion that we've named it the "Doctrine of Eternal Confusion".
Fact is, Mark's position is soooo convoluted that we felt that he deserved an award for his efforts. So we are honoring him with the ‘Spin Doctor of the Month’ award.
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In all seriousness, the reason why Kelly's position contradicts itself so badly is because Mark is attempting to resolve the very real contradiction that exists between the Reformed doctrine of Eternal Security and the Biblical warnings regarding apostasy and its consequences.
Mark, I am not sure that the contradiction can be resolved in a way that allows you to maintain your presuppositions. However, if you allow yourself to challenge your presuppositions you will run the very real danger of truly being at odds with Saddleback's doctrinal statement. (But you are already far down that path already)
Mark, my advice to you would be to look at how the Lutheran theologians have addressed this dilema. You need more data and a different perspective.
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